önce bir rapor geçti elime; .. Yatırım’ın bir raporu; referandumun piyasalardaki olumlu etkisinden bahsediyor. Tek başına iktidar olan hükümete dışarıdan güvenin arttığından, bunun yatırımları çoğaltacağından vb.. Sonra da Sinop’tan 4 adet mısır geldi masama kadar, GDO’suz. Minnetle aldım onları, sonra da biraz endişeyle geldikleri köydeki haberleri. Bunlar eski tohumlardan, bi daha yiyemezsn böyle mısır, dedi arkadaşım. Sinop’ta köydeki ambarlada tohum kalmamış, buğday kalmamış. Ona buna peşkeş çekilen tohum tüccarlığından kelli, Anadolu’nun kendi tohumları toz olmuş.. Eskiden dolup taşarmış ambarlar, şimdi boşlar..Parası olanlar Konya’dan alabiliyormuş ama yetmiyormuş işte herkesin gücü.. Mahsülleri para etmeyince.. Dediler ya köylere; fındık yerine karanfil dikin.. Dostlar alışverişte görsün, aman kağıtlarımız ne güzel değerlendi, aman Amerika ile tazelediğimiz nikaha bisürü şahit geldi de IMF’de havamız arttı.. Bu gazla öderiz artık yaklaşık 400 milyar $’a ulaşan borçlarımızı. Ha gayret.. Onu bunu bilmem! Siyaseti, yalancısı, boku püsuru umrumda değil. Benim tek derdim, ülkenin refahıdır, insanımızın huzurudur. Yeter ki insanlar aç kalmasın, insan gibi yaşayabilsin, aptal yerine konmasın, geçici zaferlere alet edilmesin, elma şekerleriyle kandırılmasın, adam gibi eğitim alsın, canının değeri bilinsin de hastane kapılarında imkansızlıktan sürünmesin, ambarında tohumları bitip de, yarın öbür gün aç kalırsa bilmem nerden ithal edilen gdolu mısırlarlara muhtaç kalmasın.. Bunun önüne geçmeye vesile olan kararı verenler de, huzura bi gelsinler bigün, tatsınlar tokadı.. kim kimin tokadını yer bilmem de, o çok değerlenen kağıtları yemek zorunda kalmadan, birileri doyursun artık bu halkı!! Haydin rasgele..
Oh, I don't understand much. Are you critizing the referendum’s result? Are you happy or not with the result of the referendum? I read the local results – a majority in Üsküdar voted “evet” (but you are of course not the average Üsküdarlı but a very special one whose mindset cannot be expressed with statistics ;-) …).
YanıtlaSilI think the “evet” is a good step for Turkish democracy. The tenor of german correspondents and commenters is positive as well though many stress that Turkey has to go further towards a more democratic constitution. Although I guess some of my turkish friends won’t share that positive reaction as long as the change is mainly driven by an islamic party named AKP …
Either way, kendine iyi bak!
Jan, koçum, sana mı kaldı bizim demokrasi. İki lokma tarih, strateji, siyaset öğrenin de öyle konuşun bea... Oku bakıyim:
YanıtlaSilhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/8002168/Iran-donates-25-million-to-Turkeys-ruling-party.html
I’m absolutely unhappy with the result Jan. I don’t know, if you’ve read the details of changes at constitution. But if you’ll read, you’ll see that not all of them are concerning democracy. I can say lot of words about it, but shortly they gave people some toffee-apples (maybe I can say “evet” some of them) and made big pr for it, and in the meantime akp get what they need.
YanıtlaSilIf they’re really near the downtrodden public or if they‘re really the warrior for democracy, why don’t they do anything about their privilege?
Don’t be deceived my friend! They can use everything , even belief or coup d'état or democracy or anything else.. These are only some pr materials for them by their own way to have absolute power by legislation, implementation and judiciary.. what will remain then?
“kemiKsiz”, maybe it’ll surprise you, but although I mainly agree with the positive reactions from most commenting german journalists, I also agree with you about constitutional changes that “not all of them are concerning democracy” and – what I think you imply – that AKP are not “activists for democracy” but rather act in their own interests.
YanıtlaSilBut from my studies in political science I at least remember that outcome matters. Motives of political actors are important for the electorate, but what matters for the future of Turkey, the region, the neighboring countries and the E.U. is more the outcome than the motives. I doubt as well that the motives of some AKP politicians are “good”, from the perspective of a convinced democrat, or someone who shares the values of european integration – but these are normative perspectives. Maybe the interest of AKP actors is mainly economic integration and “more rights for their (islamic/liberal-islamic/whatsoever) electorate”, but if democratization and political integration (I would like to see Turkey to integrate with E.U. but that’s another topic) are side-effects of the struggle I see that as a positive outcome.
From a german perspective I’d even go so far as comparing AKP to our religious party CDU (Christian Democratic Union). I don’t like them (CDU) and their conservative policies, would probably never ever vote for them, but they aggregate the opinions of a big part of the german population, thus I have to respect them as a democrat – and sometimes they bring a good output while in charge of government, like currently they are abolishing the “Wehrpflicht”, the general compulsory military service for men which was an almost religious pillar of conservative policy since after World War II. Less conservative governments might have never succeeded in abolishing this “republican-german tradition” since they would have experienced such an enormous resistance from the conservative opposition.
The big irony of that comparison is of course that CDU is so opposed to an “islamic AKP-driven Turkey” joining the E.U. and that their members and electorate have so harsh prejudices towards Turks who they all believe to be conservative-islamic Turks, while – on the other hand – they share a lot of political views with AKP and their followers, like a conservative image of the family, discrimination of gays, lesbians and other groups with different sexual orientations. Thusly, while there are reasons to dislike both parties as a left-liberal, I think their outcome isn’t always catastrophic as long as there is an opposition which stops them from living out all their dreams of a conservative society which I don’t want to live in either.
So, I’m sorry to my dear publisher of “bulut no. 9” for my long (and maybe off-topic) comment. I won’t reply again regarding this issue …
Oh, I just missed to answer to the Telegraph article the other commenter linked to – which claims the AKP getting money from Iran (which is a straw man argument, by the way). But I leave the answer to the austrian newspaper “Der Standard” (in german language). The bottom line: bad, probably wrong, reporting by the Telegraph’s and his author Con Coughlin.
“kemiKsiz”, maybe it’ll surprise you, but although I mainly agree with the positive reactions from most commenting german journalists, I also agree with you about constitutional changes that “not all of them are concerning democracy” and – what I think you imply – that AKP are not “activists for democracy” but rather act in their own interests.
YanıtlaSilBut from my studies in political science I at least remember that outcome matters. Motives of political actors are important for the electorate, but what matters for the future of Turkey, the region, the neighboring countries and the E.U. is more the outcome than the motives. I doubt as well that the motives of some AKP politicians are “good”, from the perspective of a convinced democrat, or someone who shares the values of european integration – but these are normative perspectives. Maybe the interest of AKP actors is mainly economic integration and “more rights for their (islamic/liberal-islamic/whatsoever) electorate”, but if democratization and political integration (I would like to see Turkey to integrate with E.U. but that’s another topic) are side-effects of the struggle I see that as a positive outcome.
From a german perspective I’d even go so far as comparing AKP to our religious party CDU (Christian Democratic Union). I don’t like them (CDU) and their conservative policies, would probably never ever vote for them, but they aggregate the opinions of a big part of the german population, thus I have to respect them as a democrat – and sometimes they bring a good output while in charge of government, like currently they are abolishing the “Wehrpflicht”, the general compulsory military service for men which was an almost religious pillar of conservative policy since after World War II. Less conservative governments might have never succeeded in abolishing this “republican-german tradition” since they would have experienced such an enormous resistance from the conservative opposition.
The big irony of that comparison is of course that CDU is so opposed to an “islamic AKP-driven Turkey” joining the E.U. and that their members and electorate have so harsh prejudices towards Turks who they all believe to be conservative-islamic Turks, while – on the other hand – they share a lot of political views with AKP and their followers, like a conservative image of the family, discrimination of gays, lesbians and other groups with different sexual orientations. Thusly, while there are reasons to dislike both parties as a left-liberal, I think their outcome isn’t always catastrophic as long as there is an opposition which stops them from living out all their dreams of a conservative society which I don’t want to live in either.
So, I’m sorry to my dear publisher of “bulut no. 9” for my long (and maybe off-topic) comment. I won’t reply again regarding this issue …
Oh, I just missed to answer to the Telegraph article the other commenter linked to – which claims the AKP getting money from Iran (which is a straw man argument, by the way). But I leave the answer to the austrian newspaper “Der Standard” (in german language). The bottom line: bad, probably wrong, reporting by the Telegraph’s and his author Con Coughlin.
Jan Michael bir yorum daha göndermiş ama çıkmamış burada. Yorumu aşağıda;
YanıtlaSil“kemiKsiz”, maybe it’ll surprise you, but although I mainly agree with the positive reactions from most commenting german journalists, I also agree with you about constitutional changes that “not all of them are concerning democracy” and – what I think you imply – that AKP are not “activists for democracy” but rather act in their own interests.
But from my studies in political science I at least remember that outcome matters. Motives of political actors are important for the electorate, but what matters for the future of Turkey, the region, the neighboring countries and the E.U. is more the outcome than the motives. I doubt as well that the motives of some AKP politicians are “good”, from the perspective of a convinced democrat, or someone who shares the values of european integration – but these are normative perspectives. Maybe the interest of AKP actors is mainly economic integration and “more rights for their (islamic/liberal-islamic/whatsoever) electorate”, but if democratization and political integration (I would like to see Turkey to integrate with E.U. but that’s another topic) are side-effects of the struggle I see that as a positive outcome.
From a german perspective I’d even go so far as comparing AKP to our religious party CDU (Christian Democratic Union). I don’t like them (CDU) and their conservative policies, would probably never ever vote for them, but they aggregate the opinions of a big part of the german population, thus I have to respect them as a democrat – and sometimes they bring a good output while in charge of government, like currently they are abolishing the “Wehrpflicht”, the general compulsory military service for men which was an almost religious pillar of conservative policy since after World War II. Less conservative governments might have never succeeded in abolishing this “republican-german tradition” since they would have experienced such an enormous resistance from the conservative opposition.
The big irony of that comparison is of course that CDU is so opposed to an “islamic AKP-driven Turkey” joining the E.U. and that their members and electorate have so harsh prejudices towards Turks who they all believe to be conservative-islamic Turks, while – on the other hand – they share a lot of political views with AKP and their followers, like a conservative image of the family, discrimination of gays, lesbians and other groups with different sexual orientations. Thusly, while there are reasons to dislike both parties as a left-liberal, I think their outcome isn’t always catastrophic as long as there is an opposition which stops them from living out all their dreams of a conservative society which I don’t want to live in either.
So, I’m sorry to my dear publisher of “bulut no. 9” for my long (and maybe off-topic) comment. I won’t reply again regarding this issue …
Oh, I just missed to answer to the Telegraph article the other commenter linked to – which claims the AKP getting money from Iran (which is a straw man argument, by the way). But I leave the answer to the austrian newspaper “Der Standard” (in german language). The bottom line: bad, probably wrong, reporting by the Telegraph’s and his author Con Coughlin.